WikiPortallus: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music

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Ramones and other bands

Hi Rock people;
An IP made several changes in all related Ramones articles (also some Judas Priest', as i could see) and i'm not sure if those edits are OK. Can anybody take a look and if it's acting in bad faith, please severe warn it. Thanks, Caiaffa (talk) 15:34, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Major Overhaul

Though it seems this great idea has been forgotten about, I've tried my best to change it for the better. Given it a proper banner and am in the process of doing a category thing. Red157(talk • contribs) 23:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

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Articles required

I noticed Salt the Wound doesn't have an article when they achieved mainstream sucess espicially this year and Prototype doesn't have one article for any of their albums. I'd take care of this myself, but it's gonna be a pain since my sandbox is already in use of a diferent project, that I'm trying to squeeze time into while at the same time edit articles and do other stuff. Y B K

Is a group name singular or plural?

Is there an accepted convention on this? Do we say The Beatles is a four-piece band or The Beatles are a four-piece band? Is it affected by whether the group name itself is a plural? Do we say The Beatles are but The Who is?

Reason I'm asking is that someone just changed all the is to are on Meshuggah (yes, I know, it's not in the Rock genre, but I figured I might find calmer minds here) and I wondered whether it should be changed back. I looked in WP:MOS but it's enormous and I couldn't quickly find anything definitive. A brief survey showed most group articles seem to use plurals but not all. --Rpresser 20:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to remove date-autoformatting

MOSNUM no longer encourages date-autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional, after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.

There are at least six disadvantages of using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:

Disadvantages of date-autoformatting

(1) In-house only

(a) It works only for the WP "elite".
(b) To our readers out there, it displays all-too-common inconsistencies in raw formatting in bright-blue underlined text, yet conceals them from WPians who are logged in and have chosen preferences.
(c) It causes visitors to query why dates are bright-blue and underlined.

(2) Avoids what are merely trivial differences

(a) It is trivial whether the order is day–month or month–day. It is more trivial than color/colour and realise/realize, yet our consistency-within-article policy on spelling (WP:ENGVAR) has worked very well. English-speakers readily recognise both date formats; all dates after our signatures are international, and no one objects.

(3) Colour-clutter: the bright-blue underlining of all dates

(a) It dilutes the impact of high-value links.
(b) It makes the text slightly harder to read.
(c) It doesn't improve the appearance of the page.

(4) Typos and misunderstood coding

(a) There's a disappointing error-rate in keying in the auto-function; not bracketing the year, and enclosing the whole date in one set of brackets, are examples.
(b) Once autoformatting is removed, mixtures of US and international formats are revealed in display mode, where they are much easier for WPians to pick up than in edit mode; so is the use of the wrong format in country-related articles.
(c) Many WPians don't understand date-autoformatting—in particular, how if differs from ordinary linking; often it's applied simply because it's part of the furniture.

(5) Edit-mode clutter

(a) It's more work to enter an autoformatted date, and it doesn't make the edit-mode text any easier to read for subsequent editors.

(6) Limited application

(a) It's incompatible with date ranges ("January 3–9, 1998", or "3–9 January 1998", and "February–April 2006") and slashed dates ("the night of May 21/22", or "... 21/22 May").
(b) By policy, we avoid date autoformatting in such places as quotations; the removal of autoformatting avoids this inconsistency.

Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors, and the consensus for change is overwhelming. I seek in-principle consensus here for the removal of date autoformatting from the main text of articles related to this WikiProject, using a script; such a move would also be sensitive to local objections on any article talk page. The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links.

You may wish to peruse the following capped text to compare two examples, with and without date autoformatting. The DA is set at international style—the one pertaining in this particular article—to show all WPians how the blue dates are displayed to visitors. MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether or not dates are autoformatted, analogous to our highly successful guidelines for the use of varieties of English. The choice of style is audited during the running of the script to ensure that it is appropriate to the article (i.e., consistent, and country-related where appropriate).

Two examples for comparison

EXAMPLE 1

Original

Marshal Suchet had received orders from Napoleon to commence operations on 14 June; and by rapid marches to secure the mountain passes in the Valais and in Savoy (then part of the Kingdom of Sardinia), and close them against the Austrians. On 15 June, his troops advanced at all points for the purpose of gaining the frontier from Montmeilian, as far as Geneva; which he invested. Thence he purposed to obtain possession of the important passes of Meillerie and St. Maurice; and in this way to check the advance of the Austrian columns from the Valais. At Meillerie the French were met and driven back by the advanced guard of the Austrian right column, on 21 June. By means of forced marches the whole of this column, which Baron Frimont himself accompanied, reached the Arve on 27 June.¹ The left column, under Count Bubna, crossed Mount Cenis on 24 June and 25 June. On 28 June, the column was sharply opposed by the French at Conflans; of which place, however, the Austrians succeeded in gaining possession.²

To secure the passage of the river Arve the advanced guard of the right column detached, on 27 June, to Bonneville, on its left; but the French, who had already fortified this place, maintained a stout resistance. In the mean time, however, the Austrians gained possession of the passage at Carrouge; by which means the French were placed under the necessity of evacuating Bonneville, and abandoning the valley of the Arve. The Austrian column now passed Geneva, and drove the French from the heights of Grand Saconex and from St. Genix. On 29 June, this part of the Austrian army moved towards the Jura; and, on 21 July, it ...

DA-free

Marshal Suchet had received orders from Napoleon to commence operations on 14 June; and by rapid marches to secure the mountain passes in the Valais and in Savoy (then part of the Kingdom of Sardinia), and close them against the Austrians. On 15 June, his troops advanced at all points for the purpose of gaining the frontier from Montmeilian, as far as Geneva; which he invested. Thence he purposed to obtain possession of the important passes of Meillerie and St. Maurice; and in this way to check the advance of the Austrian columns from the Valais. At Meillerie the French were met and driven back by the advanced guard of the Austrian right column, on 21 June. By means of forced marches the whole of this column, which Baron Frimont himself accompanied, reached the Arve on 27 June.¹ The left column, under Count Bubna, crossed Mount Cenis on 24 and 25 June. On 28 June, the column was sharply opposed by the French at Conflans; of which place, however, the Austrians succeeded in gaining possession.²

EXAMPLE 2

Original

On 5 July the main body of the Bavarian Army reached Chalons; in the vicinity of which it remained during 6 June. On this day, its advanced posts communicated, by Epernay, with the Prussian Army. On 7 July Prince Wrede received intelligence of the Convention of Paris, and at the same time, directions to move towards the Loire. On 8 July Lieutenant General Czernitscheff fell in with the French between St. Prix and Montmirail; and drove him across the Morin, towards the Seine. Previously to the arrival of the IV (Bavarian) Corps at Château-Thierry; the French garrison had abandoned the place, leaving behind it several pieces of cannon, with ammunition. On 10 July, the Bavarian Army took up a position between the Seine and the Marne; and Prince Wrede's Headquarters were at La Ferté-sous-Jouarre.

DA-free

Radio Program on Nick Drake

You should listen to the episode of radio program "The Beat Goes On" on Nick Drake posted on The Public Radio Exchange. Here's a link to a version of the article from September, 2007. I couldn't find any credit given to Wikipedia or the authors, even though the article and the program's narrative are similar. Were the authors of the article involved with this program? Dextex (talk) 17:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles to delete/clean-up?

Hello. I've just found these rock music articles and I've no idea if they are genuine or not. They read like fakes to me but I expect they are genuine and just really badly written. In either case they are a right old mess and need a good clean up by someone who knows their rock music. (Which I dont). [1], [2], [3]. The last one isn't really a mess - it just lacks info and sources. Or is it a fake? Setwisohi (talk) 13:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Bob Dylan FAR

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You're welcome

I haven't officially joined a the WikiProject Rock music, but I suppose I will. Here are the music articles I have created thus far:

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Rock music

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Arashk

Hello, Please check Arashk, I believe they obviously fail to meet WP:Music , they're unsigned and their albums is self produced, check them at cd baby, myspace and metall-archives.com to find out. Rock on!--Spada2 (talk) 16:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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Genres in infoboxes

Gwen Stefani discography

History and stylistic development - authoritative sources?

The articles on Rock music, and those on its various sub-genres, not to mention all the myriad bands and artists, are in dire need of objective, authoritative and well-referenced sources which can place them all in some form of historical / stylistic context. We may all "know" that, for example, Led Zeppelin's music came out of rock & roll and Chicago blues with a dash of folk, or whatever, but where are the authoritative sources for a statement like that? If someone comes in and says they were influenced by Doris Day or Gregorian chant, where is the evidence that would back up a reversion? (That's not a criticism of the Zeppelin article itself, which I haven't even looked at, just a random example.) Some of us will have various encyclopedias and histories on our bookshelves, but are there any good, reliable, online sources that cover not the individual bands, but the whole history and stylistic development of the music? Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:47, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing of Australian chart positions in Sweet discography

I am struggling with finding a source for the Australian chart position of the British 1970's glam-rock band Sweet. Maybe somebody from this project can help; especially if you have access to a copy of the "Australian Chart Book 1970 - 1992" your input would be highly appreciated. Please reply over at Talk:Sweet discography#Sourcing the Australian Chart positions. Thanks in advance. – IbLeo (talk) 17:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by David Bowie

WP:GAR review of Tina Turner

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The Jimi Hendrix Experience

All three original members of the band are now dead and people seem to think that this is lead worthy. I have started a discussion here, all comments and opinions are welcome. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 22:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

RFC/U

I am cordially requesting that users look at and comment on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Pé de Chinelo in regards to the edit-warring and POV-pushing this user has made, especially in regards with Shakira amongst other articles. Thank you, MuZemike (talk) 23:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Gallactus

Status Quo

There is a discussion at the Talk page as to whether they are boogie, boogie-woogie or both. Extra opinions welcome. --Rodhull andemu 19:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Matchbook Romance

Could someone keep an eye on the Matchbook Romance article? All the time - every day almost - the article's genres are constantly changed upon it, and accordingly, I appear to be the only one reverting it, the genre is edited constantly by IP adresses (and more recently even users) who change the genre without a cite or much less even a thought of consulting the talk page. All I ask is for someone to at least keep and eye on it and revert the edits made (or add it to their watchlist) instead of me being the only one to do so. GunMetal Angel 19:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

There needs to be SOME kind of standard for what genre a band is

I keep seeing articles getting into edit wars with random usage of various sources when trying to describe a band's genre. Has there ever been a discussion as to WHAT is a valid source for a band's genre? Because frankly its tiring, and these types of edit wars typically spill into other articles that involve music and various genres. And it's especially irritating to read comments "debating" the issue saying such things as "Well I removed this genre because I don't think they fit in it." -- TRTX ^{T / C} 18:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Buckethead task force

WP:BH wants to expand into a real WikiProject and maybe include additional related artists in the future. See WT:BH for discussion. Any input welcomed!

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music

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